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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: how to get DOS kermit c source code?
Message-Id: <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu>
Date: 20 Oct 95 09:22:32 MDT
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In article <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>
>>> No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as
>>> I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was
>>> chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and
>>> always will be". (Or is my memory at fault here?) I have nothing
>>> against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the
>>> name when the philosophy changed?
>
>> With all due respect Les, you are wildly off base with that remark.
>>Columbia Kermits have never been "Public Domain"; the code is fully copyright.
>>The products are available to you free. The Kermit protocol is open and free
>>to everyone to use. The protocol does not mean the code and programs. Any
>>trouble understanding that?
>
> No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if
> you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful,
> or to use them as part of a service. In other words they are only
> free if you don't need them.
No. Your statement can be read as "I want Kermit to be free
in the sense I can make money from it or use it to sell something
else which makes money for me, etc." We have covered this ground
in detail over the past year or so.
> Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full
> tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included
> at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would
> be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available
> in source code with modifications for special purposes from
> many sources.
See above since it's basically the same situation.
> I guessed wrong. And the difference is not in whether
> the code is copyrighted or not. It has to do with which university
> owns the copyright and what the fine print says. But I wish I could
> dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was
> contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping
> it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy.
Les, this is so vague as to be meaningless.
Joe D.
> Les Mikesell
> les@mcs.com